this thread is for discussion of the editorial for issue 65: http://anarchymag.org/node/28

Honest Talk About Anti-Imperialism

I thoroughly enjoyed reading the article, "Anti-Imperialism: Yet Another Statist Ideology." When I was younger, my social consciousness awakened via the avenues of A) Attending a multiclass, multiracial school in a much larger urban area than I had previously been accustomed to, and B) Hip-Hop Music. This was the first time that my eyes were opened up, and I saw the injustice of racism and poverty. I soon began to read books that were outside the prescribed school curriculum, such as "The Souls of Black Folk" by W.E.B. Dubois and "Long Walk to Freedom" by Nelson Mandela. Even though Mandela was critical of Communism, these books were among the first to introduce me to social thought, the human impact of economic systems and political philosophy. Here were two examples of people who actively fought racial, social, and economic injustice. I wanted to do the same. I wanted to make the world a better place.
I ended up attending college at a very Left-wing school (plenty of Anarchists were there, as well). I ended up adopting a Marxist stance. I read the writings of Huey P. Newton, Mao Tse-Tung, and other Communists - and ignored their actions or justified them away. I came to believe that only Communists were interested in racial, social, and economic justice. And I also adopted their understandings of "justice" as the only right understandings. "Revolution" was my goal, although I scarcely understood what that word really meant. I spent every waking moment digesting politically-oriented (80% Marxist) reading. I joined a Black Marxist organization - although I later parted with them due to their incessant requests for money I didn't have. I felt that Marxists were the only force for right in this world, and that everyone else was wrong. I was a true ideologue.
If I had grown up in the 1960s, all of the above would seem perfectly understandable. But this was in the mid- to late-1990s. Everyone was apathetic. No one was Revolutionary enough - not even at that enclave of Left-wing thought. Professors who would be considered firebrand radicals by the likes of the Fox News crowd were "bourgeois" in my estimation. I had never known hardship, and had never ventured out into the real world much - I was very bourgeois myself - but everyone else was "bourgeois." I really idolized a lot of 50s and 60s icons. I idolized Kwame Nkrumah - my introduction to anti-imperialism. I idolized the Weather Underground. I idolized anti-colonial fighters, because I saw them as forces that would overthrow the yoke of colonialism, racism, imperialism, capitalism, etc. - I only understood them as nationalists later on. I was really blind to a lot of mistakes that these groups and people made. I very, very gradually (over a period of years rather than days or months) began to see that these people were not the bastions of a new and better world. I became disillusioned. The truths that you pointed out so eloquently in your article should have been self-evident to me - but I was very reluctant to accept them. No American in 2008 is going to base a movement for social change on the Weather Underground or any of the others mentioned. Anti-imperialism, indeed, turned out to be a big disappointment.

It has been a long time since I've been politically active. I am no longer a Marxist, for reasons I do not have time to go into here. But an adult lifetime of poverty and a constant stream of systems that have failed me and the people I love have convinced me more than ever that the world must change - or melt down. I literally cannot take any more. Life has become unaffordable for me and my generation in the United States. My educational credentials have given me not a whit of economic security. I haven't been able to complete a lease in years, because the money does not last the entire year. I have lived on the streets or in cars at various times in my adult life, including very recently. We are involved in a war that I do not support - and when I mention this fact, brainwashed people spit in my face. My friends of color are in even a worse shituation, because they have faced a psychological battering as well as an economic and political one. Every single action, it seems at times, is a criminal offense. Gay-bashing has become en vogue again after years of slow but seeming progress. Now we are facing a recession, which does not affect me much directly, but allows the rich man to feel it. Decisions are made in my name without my consent. I could go on and on.

I don't know what the answer to our dilemma is, but I am willing to listen to anyone who wants a change.

CK the Dub Organizer

Do you think the change that

Do you think the change that we need is even possible anymore? I feel like it is too late. With such a fast paced society and the brainwashing that has occurred within it, I just wonder if we have reached the point of no return (or surpassed it a long time ago). Then again, maybe that's how people felt in the past before revolutions occurred?

Here We Go Again

The short answer is: yes, revolutions and near-revolutions have often -- in fact, more often than not -- broken out when they were least expected, such as the Velvet Revolutions in the European Communist States and the French revolt of 1968. I will not go into earlier, less familiar examples, but they exist. One would have thought that the powers had these societies all sewed up but not so. Just because the prospects appear dismal, as they do, is no reason to despair. Fredy Perlman: "Anything can happen."

-- Bob Black

Bob,

dont pick on the kids!

Aaron

Who Sez the Kids Are Alright?

When a child undertakes an adult activity (such as driving a car) he is held to the same legal standard as an adult. When a juvenile or near-juvenile anarchist undertakes an adult activity (such as collaborating with statist leftists, or spouting excited nonsense) he should likewise be held to the standard -- which is low enough, fergodsake! -- of adult anarchists. This is not "picking on" the kids -- anymore than holding feminists to the same standard is "picking on" them, or on women -- it is honoring the anarchist value of equality.

From long observation, I know that 90-95% of today's (or any day's) teenage or early 20s anarchists will vanish without a trace within two years. If they work for AK Press, they will burn out within a year. Some of those who don't disappear, it were better if they had. To name 4 teenage anarchists who were once almost my proteges: Chuck Morse became a Bookchin lackey; Trevor Blake disappeared into the SubGenius vacuum; Jon Bekken became an anarcho-syndicalist with a penchant for defamation which even the IWW once officially condemned; and Kevin Keating ("Max Anger," etc.), who was converted to anarchism by my Last International posters, ended up as the most tedious of leftists, the left communists, all six of them.

-- Bob Black
Abobob51@peoplepc.com

the article is condescending

I consider myself an anti-imperialist, but that doesn't mean I support every enemy of the US. I think people are smart enough to be able to oppose US moves to conquer the world, and not automatically support every oppressive nationalist movement that opposes them.

anti-imperialism

Words have meanings tied into the history of their usage. The term "anti-imperialism" didn't just drop out of the sky one day to be casually picked up and used without a context by anyone who's annoyed at the policies of an expansionist nation-state. The use and promotion of Anti-Imperialism has, since the 1930s, been a mask behind which lurks support for a national bourgeoisie waiting to take over the imperialist infrastructure of current (soon to be former) rulers. If you really think that "people are smart enough" to take a principled stance against nationalist thugs who happen to be fighting against US/UK/Israeli imperialism, you don't get out enough. The discussions among anarchists and radicals about supporting the obscurantists of Hezbollah, for example, should dissuade you of those illusions.

Anti-Imperialism

Aside from your contempt for popular (with which you appear to equate leftist) opinion, do your comments in any way disagree with Lawrence's? Not that I can see. Incidentally, are you Kevin Keating?

Your Selective Anti-Imperialism

So, which anti-imperialist and/or nationalist gangs do you support and which do you not? You say you don't support all of them. Under the circumstances, the implication is that you do support some of them. Which ones? Why? How do the ones you support differ from the ones you oppose? In power, they always turn out the same (such as FRETILIN in East Timor, formerly a Noam Chomsky pet project).

-- Bob Black (yes, THE Bob Black)

not all the same

Lay off Noam,that logic ultimately deadends in a world inhabited by reclusive cynical individuals like me.Chompsky took ideas on autonomy, both politically and philosophically,to new frontiers.....lonedingo